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this chapter is mainly about Gatsby's funeral. why was there only a few people there like, Nick, servants,his father, Henry, and Owl Eyes. i remembered Owl Eyes earlier in the book. he was the first person Nick met at the party. i did not know that Gatsby writes books. i also found out that Tom and Daisy moved away. i am surprised that Nick moved back to the Midwest and stopped talking to Jordan. Jordan actually confessed that she is engaged with another man. WOW! why is Nick acting like that towards Tom? i wondered did Tom hate Gatsby? he did say that he deserved to die. such harsh words. in this chapter i am starting not to like Tom and Daisy. i need a little help explaining the end while Nick and what he is reflecting on at Gatsby's mansion.
so in the last chapter gatsby was just killed along with wilson. now nick is focusing on who cares. he seems obsessed with who is going in and out of the house ( like on page 163)and who should be there simply because they care about Gatsby. then nick states that most reporters are "grotesque, circumstantial, egar and untrue" i thought that was funny because is what most people think of reporters today. Tom and Daisy also leave, and they dont leave an address for nick, so we can imply that they dont want any thing more to do with nick. after that nick is all alone, in almost every aspect, and then he begins to feel guilt for gatsby by wanting to "get some one for gatsby" as he repeats it on page 165. i was very supprised when gatsby's father showed up, i guess that means that his mother was dead... his name was Gatz not gatsby, this made it eaiser for me to read, but more difficult for nick, he called gatz gatsby when he arrived on page 168. then when wholfsheim sent a letter saying he couldent come, nick went to new york to his office to find out why. wolfsheim seemed genuinely sorry that he couldb't make it but he did still decline the invetation. when the funeral did occur, the man from the library showed up, and i thought that it was very ironic that the one person that probalby shouldn't have been there, was there. the last dialogue in the book is about tom and nick running into eachother, it just further showed toms ignorance and prejudice against thoes of a differnet class, nick made a point to show that they ( nick tom jordan and daisy ) were all from the west and there for alot closer to eachother than any of them cared for
I wondered why nobody was on Gasby's funeral, because it was everywher in the newspaper and even his dad saw it in there. Snd i tjought a lot of pwople knew him, because of his huge parties. That really surprised me!! But i don't understand why Daisy is not sending " a message or a flower" (p.174, i mean she was in love with him!! But maybe TOm didn't let her. And it was actually Tom's fault that Gatsby got killed, because "[he] told [Wilson] the truth". Nick and Gatsby got really close towards the end, and it's not easy for Nick to get over Gatsby'S death so easily." I spend ma Saturday nights in New York, because those gleaming, dazzling parties of his were with me so vividly that I could still hear the music and the laughter, faint and incessant, from his garden, and the cars going up and down his drive. " (p.179)
And it turned out that Wolfsheim basically "made him". He couldn't or didn't want to come to Gatsby's funeral(why??), but he was like the man who dicovered Gatsby and helped who made him to the *Great Gatsby*.
I really liked this chapter. We found out that Gatsby kept in touch with his father and that Daisy's husband had Gatsby killed. this was very very interesting.I did want to know why Nick did not resent Daisy for not sending a letter or calling when she supposedly found out Gatsby was dead(pg 174). I also saw another example of Gatsby seaching for his purpose in life. His dad said "He knew he had a big future in front of him" (pg 172).
Chapter IX was basically like any other final chapter. Resolution, quiet, no action, everything takes it's place, and mostly everything is explained.
First of all, yes, it is very strange that Gatsby is no longer there, actually the whole book was about to get to know him better, to find out what kind of person he was.
The first quote that took my attention was "I found myself on Gatsby's side, and alone." (p. 164) There was no support, no help, and no interest from other people.. Once there were no parties, Gatsby could not be honored by all of those gorgeous people visiting his mansion. But at least we could see who was his friend and who wasn't at all. Nick thought it was important to "get somebody for you[Gatsby]" (p. 164), although I think Gatsby would be "happier" if the people who really cared about him were there, even if it was just Nick.
Wolfsheim is trying to find an excuse why not to come to the funeral. He "hardly know[s] where I am [he is] when I [he] hear[s] about a thing like this and I am[he is] completely knocked down and out." (p. 166), then why did his assistant said he was not there? "When a man gets killed I never like to get mixed up in it in any way." (p. 171). This totally broke me! From one side he was Gatsby's closest friend.. He "made him" like he said.. so I suppose Gatsby was something like a son to him... From another side in "their business" when everybody can get killed in any minute, people have to be strong and not let a killed friend to break them down. Maybe Wolfsheim didn't want others to see that he is not that tough like he claims to be. My favorite quote of Wolfsheim in this book is "Let us learn to show our friendship for a man when he is alive and not after he is dead."(p. 172). Those are wise words, but we haven't seen Wolfsheim showing his friendship for Gatsby even when he was alive.
A characted that we get to know just now is Gatsby's father, Mr. Gatz. I felt sorry for him as I read the description. But as I saw that the relationship between him and his son Jimmy[Gatsby] was good I calmed down. It is surprising that after Jimmy changed his name, and left his family, and didn't visit them that often, his father is still proud of his son and says that "if he'd of lived, he'd been a great man." (p. 168). Also he understands Jimmy's (back then) behavior.
Gatsby(Jimmy) on other hand didn't forget about the man who raised him {even though they "was broke up when he ran off from home..."(p. 172)}, "bought me [Mr. Gatz] the house I [Mr. Gatz] live[s] in now." (p. 172), and "ever since he made a success he was very generous with me [Mr. Gatz]." (p. 172). It is very nice to see the good relationship between father and son, also that's why Mr. Gatz came as soon as he found out about his son's death- Gatsby was the only one his father cared about since his mother (apparently) died. It makes me kinda proud of them and it's such a shame that here you cannot see relationships like this one really often.
Another thing we found out about Gatsby is that he always tried to improve himself, his way of life, already since he was a boy.
Nobody came to the funeral. Gatsby didn't really have friends, those were just business people and strangers who came to his parties! Businesspeople can find other partners or competitors, and the "strangers" are going to go to another party, nothing has changed.
The relationship between Nick and Jordan is over. It looks like he was already sick of it. "There was one thing to be done before I left, an awkward, unpleasant thing that perhaps had better been let alone." (pp. 176/177). Jordan was engaged to another man.. I guess the reader AND Nick saw that it wasn't true. She just couldn't get over it how Nick "threw me [her] over on the telephone." (p. 177) As she said "it was a new experience.." (p. 177).
Tom and Daisy.. what to say? They lost their partners "on the side" so they decided to get back together.. better than to be alone. They had nothing to loose. Also I thik Daisy wouldn't have survived without healthy way of life. Pride doesn't mean nothing to her, it's all about money. Tom showed Nick that he doesn't belong to them (wealthy people) by going into a jewelry store, where Nick would have had nothing to do.
In the end of the chapter Nick is sitting on the sand near water and all kinds of thoughts are flashing through his mind. The green light is mentioned again, but it doesn't have the meaning and power like it had before.
I think Nick and Gatsby were (in their way) the most honest people in this story. That's probably why they got together that fast and that's why now Nick claimed to be Gatsby's "very close friend" (p. 168).
Well, the whole book was very interesting. It also made me think about relationships between people and consequences that these relationships can have!
There is another significance to the fact that all of the major characters are Westerners, however. Throughout American history, the West has been seen as a land of promise and possibility—the very emblem of American ideals. Tom and Daisy, like other members of the upper class, have betrayed America’s democratic ideals by perpetuating a rigid class structure that excludes newcomers from its upper reaches, much like the feudal aristocracy that America had left behind. Gatsby, alone among Nick’s acquaintances, has the audacity and nobility of spirit to dream of creating a radically different future for himself, but his dream ends in failure for several reasons: his methods are criminal, he can never gain acceptance into the American aristocracy (which he would have to do to win Daisy), and his new identity is largely an act. It is not at all clear what Gatsby’s failure says about the dreams and aspirations of Americans generally, but Fitzgerald’s novel certainly questions the idea of an America in which all things are possible if one simply tries hard enough.
Why are people so cruel? Why did so little people show up to Gatsby's funeral? Honestly, I didn't think Gatsby was a horrible person. He did everything he could for love and in the end, he got nothing. Tom was the one who told Wilson that Gatsby murdered Mrytle. But he just didn't know that it was really Daisy. Tom just wanted to have Gatsby killed because he saw the connection between his wife, Daisy, and Gatsby. I don't like Tom. In Chapter 9, Nick met Gatsby's father. Nick was a really good friend to Gatsby. He decided to move back to Minnosota because Long Island didn't have anything for him. Things didn't work out with Jordan..she got engaged. Overall, I really liked this book. Can wait to talk about it in class today.
¨But, as they drew back the sheet and looked at Gatsby with unmoved eyes, his protest continued in my brain." Page 165
I think this is an important quote because it relates to the motif of the eyes. The eyes of Doctor T.J. Eckleburg were the first eyes we talked about. So maybe Fitzgerald is getting to a point with this motif. Gatsby with his wide open eyes could be like the ones of T.J. Eckleburg. They both could mean the same thing.
This chapter was about Gatsby's Funeral. What was ironic about his funeral was that nobody went, although everybody attended his parties. I think that this symbolizes the falsity of society and also how people often pretend to be what they are not to be accepted by society. Gatsby never gad anyone care about him the way that Nick did, that is why he got so close to nick in the first place. Nick saw Gatsby and accepted him for who he was and not for his wealth like everyone including Daisy did. Tom and Daisy decided to move away, this proves that they are careless people like the chapter said. And event hough they are wealthy and seem to live stable lives, the way they handle people is not stable at all, and that its what is really important. But also what they lacked. Gatsby was trying to chase his past, and I think the book was ultimately trying to say that the past is meant to stay in the past because if you try to chase it, it will lead to your downfall, like Gatsby.
It surprised me to know that a lot of people did not show up at Gatsby’s funeral. Maybe he was that important after all. It seems like maybe he was a killer or a gambler.
“Someone started to ask me questions, but I broke away and going upstairs looked hastily through the unlocked parts of his desk.” It is hard for Nick to get over his friends’ death. That was like his role model. I think Nick feels as if he will never have an AMERICAN DREAM since Gatsby is not there anymore.
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I was surprised also when not to many people showed up to Gatsby's funeral!!!
I dont like Tom. He lied on Gatsby all because he was jealous. It didnt seem like he liked Daisy that much anyways because he was CHEATING on her!!!
I agree with Anaya also..Nick was a good friend to Gatsby. He tried to help him in every way he could.
But, I really did think this book was a good book..It really related to the American Dream and how people think they can buy love. NO!! You cant...it will only get you nowhere!!!
OMG......i cant belive that only about a handfull of people show up at Gatsby funeral. And not to mention GATSBY'S DAD came....WOW..... that was really surpriseing to me. Tom and Daisy move without telling anybody were.
Nick decides to move back to the midwest after breaking up with Jordan. Nick sees Tom ont he streets and he wasn't going to speak but out of courtsy he did...THIS WAS A GREAT BOOK!!!
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